----BEGIN CLASS---- [14:00] #startclass [14:00] Roll Call [14:00] Jason Braganza [14:00] Saransh [14:00] nagarajan [14:02] mars [14:02] alright [14:02] good evening :) [14:03] how far into the systemd chapter did you folk go into? [14:04] Securing a service using systemd [14:05] yes. how far into that chapter did you get? :) [14:05] Till this [14:05] yes same [14:05] I mean we have to continue from here on [14:05] i meant you folk finished the chapter? [14:06] in which case we can move on to package management [14:06] nope [14:06] Not yet [14:07] ergo the question. how far along did you get into it? or are we at the beginning of that chapter? [14:07] In previous session we were told to read half of systemd so... [14:07] ok. so please tell me upto where you read [14:07] so… [14:07] i can decide where we go next :) [14:07] Half being till securing a service [14:07] alright :) [14:07] last class we have completed linux services chapter [14:08] in my personal account, i have some balance chapters :) [14:08] circuitlover, have we? [14:09] specbeck: yes, we have to start now the securing a service using systemd [14:09] oh then next step in that chapter is mostly hands on. so read it. try it. and ask questions here [14:09] ok sure [14:09] Chaotic already <:) [14:10] use https://paste.debian.net/ if you have errors or code you want to show me [14:10] specbeck, in which case, you should just ask questions [14:10] and also ask throughout the day :) [14:10] not just during session time. [14:11] let the rest read. and if you have any doubts ask me. and we will try it here [14:11] and i will try to answer [14:11] I meant as in deciding what we have to read next :) [14:11] specbeck, where have you reached up to? [14:12] specbeck, circuitlover, mars we can go back to previous chapters too. [14:12] if you have any doubts about any thing on a linux system, just ask away [14:14] I mean the three previous chapter went past in a jiffy. I was able to comprehend but not implement. [14:14] i'm here and late... [14:15] specbeck, spend some time every day :) [14:15] specbeck, also if you want to implement something in the past chapters, do it this evening [14:15] am taking it slow for that reason [14:15] jasonbraganza, noted. [14:16] specbeck, mars, kiyo, circuitlover, personal trigger. apologies in advance. i don’t like people saying noted to me. it’s perfectly normal speect [14:16] speech [14:17] it just makes me go aargh, so please avoid it with me. humble request. [14:17] Oh jasonbraganza, sorry in that case [14:18] to my mind it’s like a lazy thumbs up on something good i crafted. i want a reply. not a binary flag. [14:18] specbeck, oh you were not to know! not your fault at all :) just give me full sentences :) [14:19] i think i missed something in between, sorry, network lag [14:20] ! [14:20] next [14:20] circuitlover, things you might have missed [14:21] we are going slow. so any questions welcome [14:21] circuitlover, go over previous chapters if you feel you are missing anything [14:21] as in if you think you have questions there. [14:21] How can I implement the application very bad in a VM? I'm using WSL, can it be implemented there itself? [14:21] sure, thank you [14:21] circuitlover, personal pet peeve. please avoid saying noted to jasonbraganza. [14:22] specbeck, wsl is not a vm [14:22] specbeck, you’ll need to run a full vm. or install linux natively [14:23] Oh ic, better just search for a howto [14:23] Thanks :) [14:23] integrated circuit? [14:23] also a howto for what? [14:24] specbeck, ^ [14:24] ic equivalent to "I see" -read that on the docs [14:25] And howto for a virtual machine :) [14:25] specbeck, aah. old i am. don’t quite figure out these acronyms :) [14:26] also virtual machine. here it is in short. install virtual box. download a iso for your favourite distribution. [14:27] jasonbraganza, Alright, thanks! [14:27] then create a vm in virtual box and install linux into using that iso. [14:27] specbeck, how much free disk space do you have? [14:28] About 100 GBs [14:29] specbeck, and how much ram in the machine? [14:29] 16 GBs [14:29] specbeck, then you can dedicate 4gb and 30gb to the vm. you should get decent performance [14:30] 4gb ram and 30gb hard disk space [14:30] specbeck, also it is not something i want you to attempt now [14:31] clear a day for this. and then do it [14:31] jasonbraganza, Okay, will try later [14:31] because it will take time. you might have a couple of false starts or so [14:31] so make sure you have the time and the patience ready before hand [14:31] ask questions here [14:32] jasonbraganza, sure, thanks :) [14:32] mars, circuitlover where are you folk at? [14:32] questions? doubts? [14:32] kiyo, sorry i just saw you [14:32] I have to jump out real quick [14:32] ok XD [14:32] its ok i'm pretty comfortable with vms and services [14:32] reading my pending chapters, will ask if got any doubts [14:33] kiyo, we were doing the systemd chapter. you ok with systemctl and stuff, yea? [14:33] yes mostly [14:33] cool! [14:33] onto pending tasks, will ask questions once through [14:34] alright you two [14:34] specbeck, what you upto? [14:35] same, completing stuff slowly and steadily [14:36] alright [14:36] so will ping you people in 15 [14:36] ok [14:37] ping me, if you have questions or doubts before that [14:45] ! [14:45] next [14:47] I used to use alot more systemd in the past. Now for most of my day to day services I use docker. Its not often better to use docker but at work I am asked to use windows so it helps fuse my work and play :) [14:48] i'm wondering if docker is "cool" with foss, it has a big company behind it. it is on the linux repos [14:48] so I think its ok. [14:49] so what was the question kiyo? :P [14:49] i'm concerned docker and the comapny behind it may not be good for foss. [14:50] kiyo, and as far as docker and containers, the benefit docker brings to the table, is the directory of images [14:50] ! [14:50] the tech itself is just a wrapper around native linux functionality [14:50] i don't want to focus on it if perhaps its known to be undermining its foss licence. [14:50] ok thanks [14:51] kiyo, look at podman as an alternative. [14:51] ooo i will do thanks [14:51] there are others too. the container image is open [14:51] Armageddon, obviously can answer this better :) [14:52] take it away :) [14:52] next [14:52] s /container image/container image format [14:52] you did an awesome job, the container technology is mostly in the linux kernel and a lot of components have been open sourced but I just wanted to say that there is nothing preventing you from running containers from systemd as a service [14:52] https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Systemd-nspawn#Run_docker_in_systemd-nspawn [14:53] it's a widely used practice, so systemctl start while that service is a container in reality [14:54] and containers is a lot bigger than just docker, or podman, there are different types, lxc for example is a container like jails, whole OS where you use it as one instead of a VM and is not analogous to 1 container == 1 service [14:54] interesting. [14:55] very interesting question :) and I have to say that docker, even though limited in mergeability, is an open source project with an asterisk [14:56] yes. [14:56] mars, specbeck, circuitlover - where we at? [14:57] I've read the chapter, will implement it later after setting things up [14:57] And no questions yet [14:57] jasonbraganza: sorry to leave in middle, urgent house work came, will join later, thanks for the session :) [14:57] specbeck, you know me so well! [14:57] circuitlover, good night! [14:58] which only leaves mars. [15:00] read throught the previous one, but will need to spend more time [15:00] ok. let’s call it a night then. [15:01] for the next class please keep look at at the calendar link anwesha has created for us https://nc.foss.training/apps/calendar/p/J3P8qoLE3KiRR6km as well as the channel topic itself [15:01] good night folks! ----END CLASS----