----BEGIN CLASS---- [13:35] #startclass [13:35] Roll call [13:35] Shiva Saxena [13:35] Prashant Sharma [13:35] Naman Sharma [13:36] Priyanka Saggu [13:36] Mayank Singhal [13:36] Sahil [13:36] Karan Pratap [13:36] Shubham Sharma [13:36] Bhavin Gandhi [13:36] Ola Ajayi [13:36] pawan [13:36] Akshay Gaiwkad [13:36] priyam das [13:36] Janifa M [13:36] devesh verma [13:36] pooja sulakhe [13:36] Rahul Jha [13:36] Anusha K [13:36] Dhananjay M [13:36] Gajendra Saraswat [13:36] sonia singla [13:36] Manjeet mehta [13:36] Vara Singh [13:36] Shivam Bansal [13:36] pooja kumari singh [13:36] Prabhu Sharan Singh [13:36] Avik Mukherjee [13:36] Aman Verma [13:36] Nimisha C P [13:36] Ananyo Maiti [13:37] Amitrajit Bose [13:37] Deep [13:37] Manank Patni [13:38] Roll Call : Neeraj Kumar Arya [13:39] Today will be a review session on "Time Management" and Operation Blue Moon [13:39] I hope all of you have gone through the IRC log and gone through the OBM project README [13:40] If you have any specific questions regarding the topic, I can answer your queries on the same [13:41] How many people actually read through the IRC log and looked at OBM? [13:41] me [13:41] me [13:41] me [13:41] me [13:41] Roll Call: Shivam Singhal [13:41] me [13:41] me [13:41] Please use "!" if you have a question, and wait for your turn [13:42] not me [13:43] Most beginners do not measure how much time they spend, and hence their productivity levels are low [13:43] Unless one measures and records time spent, and analysis the same, it will be difficult to see where they are lacking and how they should change their work plan [13:43] I've only gone through the README [13:44] We are always concerned about productivity, and that is an important aspect in one's life [13:44] A common problem that we see is distraction when working with tasks [13:45] Distraction from social media, phone, chatting etc. [13:45] When you decide to allocate x hours for your work, you should stick to it [13:45] Those of who went through the logs, if you have any questions, please use "!" [13:47] Or, have you understood everything that has been discussed in the log [13:47] What do people here use for time management and organization of tasks? [13:48] I use pomodoro of 35mins with 5mins gap [13:48] I've used Google Tasks, Evernote and Trello [13:49] devesh_verma, jeet__ okay [13:49] <__rex__> TickTick (icktick.com) and calendar [13:49] What do you measure in your tasks? [13:49] I mostly do project based task assignment, use GitHub Projects for that [13:50] and what type of tasks are those? (DEV, OPS, READ, WRITE, MEETING, EVENTS, any other?) [13:50] mbuf, I actually don't know how to manange anything like work, tasks, with entertainment :( [13:50] Also google keep [13:50] <__rex__> DEV, READ and OPS [13:50] I am pretty bad at managing time and mostly end up regretting :( [13:51] I personally have the approach of breaking down large tasks into small goals, and checking them when done. For type of task I have category lists. mbuf [13:51] It is important to be systematic and organized in your work [13:51] mbuf, I am not using anything but I am looking forward for it. [13:51] Everyone has only 24h in a day, and thus managing your time is critical [13:51] That is one of the reason I haven't read many of the logs of classes I missed till now [13:52] prabhu, We cannot help you if you do not do your homework [13:52] Moving forward, we will go into programming tasks, and you need to be really upto speed [13:52] We are here to make you self-learn and be self-sufficient, and lead from the front [13:52] If you play catch-up all the time, nobody will be bothered about you [13:53] We have had the opportunity to train a number of students, who have become mentors themselves [13:53] They are now training the next set of students [13:53] Time is of utmost importance. Today, there is no time machine to go back and undo whatever you have done [13:53] If you wasted an hour today, you are not going to get it back [13:54] Engineers, by nature, are very poor in time estimation [13:54] I would encourage you all to read this book - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Mythical_Man-Month [13:54] To start with, you can keep a simple diary where you note down how much time you spent on what task [13:55] As far as possible, try to use third-party services to keep track of your tasks (unless they are related to FLOSS projects) [13:55] We have been discussing on security and privacy a lot, and you don't want others to profile you, based on the data that you send [13:56] Any questions? [13:56] ! [13:56] no [13:56] next [13:56] I didn't understand what you said about that 3rd party apps thing. Kindly elaborate mbuf [13:57] jeet__, Google Tasks are hosted in Google, and it is a third party [13:57] jeet__, same with Evernote [13:58] jeet__, personal time management should be kept personal [13:58] jeet__, not on third party services like these, where they can profile you (run ML and other algorithms) [13:58] When I start the Emacs session series, there will be more homework coming your way [13:58] So we should avoid using them right [13:58] jeet__, yes [13:59] <__rex__> ! [13:59] From today onwards, allocate at least dedicated 1h for FLOSS work and dgplug homework [13:59] If I say 1h, you should allocate at least 2h per day [13:59] That is called dedication [14:00] During this time, you should not check your phone (Whatsapp, messages, etc.), no social network (Facebook, Twitter, LinkedIn, etc.) [14:00] and stay focussed on your work and finish the task in hand [14:00] Unless you learn to be dedicated and focussed and get things done, you will not change [14:00] You have come here to learn, and you need to take great strides to improve yourself [14:00] next [14:00] <__rex__> If a third party service has a decent privacy policy we can use them right ? (https://ticktick.com/about/privacy) [14:01] <__rex__> they follow GDPR rules [14:01] __rex__, well, they have the right to change it [14:02] __rex__, will you give a copy of your house key to others? [14:02] __rex__, if a data breach happens, usually they will say they have fixed it and not liable [14:02] __rex__, private data should not be on the Internet. Period. [14:03] So, those of who didn't read the logs, what was the problem? [14:03] *log [14:03] <__rex__> mbuf, alright [14:03] I sent the e-mail on July 13 (five days ago) [14:04] I basically want to understand why you cannot allocate time for something that you have volunteered to come to the dgplug training for [14:04] mbuf, sorry due to some reason the mail went to my spam folder [14:04] to improve yourself; we do not have anything to lose here [14:04] ananyo, why do you not check your spam folder? [14:05] for those who have seen it, why do you not discuss about it in the IRC session between classes? [14:05] *seen or read the log [14:05] mbuf, Because usually they contain useless emails. Will check from now on [14:05] We are not running a school here [14:05] ! [14:05] ananyo, are you using Gmail? [14:05] next [14:06] Is it adviced to dedicate time strictly for talking to people (for eg. come and go at some specific time at #dgplug) - because most of the time when I check IRC/gitter for new messages, something interesting comes up and down the rabbit hole I go. [14:06] mbuf, yes [14:06] Also, what do you use for personal time management? [14:06] ananyo, again a third-party service [14:06] RJ722, you can stay on IRC, and decided to check the messages when you have time [14:06] RJ722, when I am training, I am still logged into IRC, but, I do not reply immediately [14:07] RJ722, whenever I get time, maybe during breaks or after a session, I reply [14:07] RJ722, I use a private version of OBM [14:07] RJ722, Emacs org mode [14:08] mbuf: yes I am currently trying it out. Thanks for the help! [14:08] mbuf, This is my primary email id so I can't change it now [14:08] RJ722, you need to budget how much time you want to spend for different tasks (READ, WRITE, DEV, OPS, EVENTS, MEETING etc.) [14:08] RJ722, and plan accordingly [14:09] RJ722, you should always have the notion of time, and be aware that the clock is ticking [14:09] ananyo, as I said, do not rely on third-party services much; if you do, make sure you double check everything [14:09] next [14:09] <__rex__> ! [14:10] So, those of who have not read the IRC log, what is your excuse? [14:10] next [14:10] <__rex__> In the log you said " Most of the ML folks are using Python. Wait for my blog post. You will find lot of references ", were you refering to this blog post? http://www.shakthimaan.com/posts/2016/07/26/deep-learning-conference/news.html [14:10] __rex__, yes [14:11] <__rex__> mbuf, thanks [14:11] Unless you ask questions, you will not reason as to what state you are in [14:11] Unless you accept your problems, we will not be able to find solutions [14:11] There is no fail or pass mark for this training [14:12] There is no certification as well [14:12] You have to realize that you have come here and spending yours and others' time as well [14:12] And you need to make the best use of it [14:12] Time is precious [14:12] mbuf, if you'd allow, I'd like to share https://fs.blog/2017/03/seneca-on-the-shortness-of-time/ with folks. [14:13] ! [14:13] next [14:13] How many people can tell me how many hours you have spent for dgplug work till date? [14:14] Can you also tell me on which days, how many hours you have spent? [14:14] Can you also tell me the exact time interval that you spent? [14:14] How about the average time spent per week vs weekend? [14:14] nope, we can't [14:15] cypher01, you should [14:15] cypher01, from today [14:15] To start with, don't use any software; write it down in your personal diary [14:15] do the math manually [14:15] You have to first measure [14:16] Only then you can analyse [14:16] This leads to OBM [14:16] Anyone have any questions on OBM? [14:16] ! [14:17] next [14:17] mbuf, Are org files simple text files similar to markdown ? [14:17] ananyo, yes [14:17] When I start the Emacs session series, it will be at a fast pace [14:18] You will also have other sessions happening, so you need to better manage time [14:18] It has been a month already, and you know how things work here [14:18] You should look at where you are going to be in the next two months [14:19] We do not end the training after two months, because learning is a continuous process [14:19] Every year, we just get new people who start from the basics [14:19] I hope that you realize the importance of time [14:20] Self-assessment is important to see how you have progressed over time [14:20] We are not competing amongst ourselves [14:20] You are trying to see how you are better than what you used to be [14:21] And if you cannot measure that, then you are just wasting your time [14:21] You can go back to college/work just like who you were [14:21] We start from basics to give you time to get adjusted to our style (FLOSS) of work [14:22] Hereafter, at least, I will go at a fast pace [14:22] Those of you who are serious will progress; others, need to put in lot of effort [14:22] Time and tide wait for no man [14:22] We are not here to scold you or to hear your complaints [14:23] We have come through the learning curve, and we want to guide you through it [14:23] If you think this is time pass, then you are on the losing side [14:23] We do not have to prove anything to anyone [14:23] We are nearing the one hour mark [14:23] Any last minute questions? [14:25] In OBM, we define both short-term and long-term goals [14:25] Long-term goals means you want be an expert in a domain area, or specialize in a field [14:25] For example, security, application development, DevOps etc. [14:26] These have to be broken down to short-term goals (3 months, for example) [14:26] Then you pick tasks that align to sprints that we run periodically (based on Moon calendar) [14:26] Hence, the term Operation Blue Moon [14:26] Because people do their homework only once in a Blue Moon, and we want to change that [14:26] Hence, Operation Blue Moon [14:27] If you want to talk to a mentor, you need to explain your objectives in life with your long-term and short-term goals [14:27] and justify why you want to work in a project [14:27] Be prepared to answer such questions [14:28] As a homework, start monitoring where you are wasting time, and how much time you are spending for dgplug FLOSS work [14:28] Even after this session, if you are not serious about your work, we cannot help you more [14:28] Let's close this session [14:28] Roll call [14:28] Mayank Singhal [14:28] Shiva Saxena [14:28] pawan [14:28] Amitrajit Bose [14:28] Vara Singh [14:28] Sourabh Pruthi [14:28] Ananyo Maiti [14:28] Shivam Bansal [14:28] Sehenaz Parvin [14:28] Naman Sharma [14:28] Aravind Menon [14:28] Karan Pratap [14:29] Ola Ajayi [14:29] Priyanka Saggu [14:29] Prabhu Sharan Singh [14:29] Manjeet Mehta [14:29] Neeraj Kumar Arya [14:29] Shamik Nandi [14:29] <__rex__> Rakshit Airani [14:29] Janifa M [14:29] Abdul Raheem [14:29] Manank Patni [14:29] Nimisha C P [14:29] Bhavin Gandhi [14:29] Anusha K [14:29] Shaikh_farhaan [14:30] Gajendra Saraswat [14:30] Shubham Sharma [14:30] Deep ----END CLASS----