[15:00:00] [## Class Started at Mon Jun 20 15:00:00 2016 ##] [15:00:00] startclass [15:00:00] hi everyone :) [15:00:01] is there anyone from gorakhpur? [15:00:06] Roll Call [15:00:10] Good evening... [15:00:11] Rhitik Bhatt [15:00:11] Saurav Saha [15:00:12] Shubhodeep Mitra [15:00:13] Shantanu Acharya [15:00:13] Shaswata Dutta [15:00:14] Ashwani Pandey [15:00:15] Tummala Dhanvi [15:00:16] Rahul Bhattacharjee [15:00:17] suhailahmed is now known as shmed [15:00:17] Abhishek Shrivastava [15:00:17] DEEPANSHU KAPOOR [15:00:18] Sandeep Maity [15:00:18] Agung Gumilang [15:00:18] Prasant rai [15:00:19] Abheek [15:00:19] Yogesh Joshi [15:00:20] Kunal Kumar [15:00:20] Jason Estibeiro [15:00:20] Rohan Hazra [15:00:22] Syed Suhail Ahmed [15:00:22] Saikat Kumar Dey [15:00:23] Akash Agarwal [15:00:24] Rohan Verma [15:00:24] Priyanka sharma [15:00:25] shobhit upadhyay [15:00:26] Amol Kahat [15:00:26] Utkarsh Shukla [15:00:28] vaibhav jain [15:00:29] Mahesh Gahlot [15:00:31] Kshitij [15:00:31] ganesh kadam [15:00:33] Saran Teja [15:00:34] Prashant Jamkhande [15:00:35] ketan kumar [15:00:35] Athava Deshmukh ( kushal , In train, have network issues, would leave around 7:15PM) [15:00:36] Prashant Sharma [15:00:41] Yashwanth M [15:00:42] Nisha Poyarekar [15:00:46] Anushil Kumar [15:00:48] Avik Mukherjee [15:00:56] Subhradip Das [15:00:58] Gobinda Akhuli [15:01:02] Buvanesh Kumar [15:01:05] Harsh Vardhan [15:01:17] Pritam Mondal [15:01:18] Sayan Chowdhury [15:01:20] Tosin Animashaun [15:01:20] Shalaka shastri [15:01:24] Kamlesh Chaudhari [15:01:27] Suniva Priyadarshini [15:01:28] prabhat sharma [15:01:34] Pabitra PaTI [15:01:45] Upadhye Madhuri [15:01:51] Around 52 nicks :) [15:01:56] Akhilesh Dhaundiyal [15:02:02] Trishna Guha [15:02:04] Aniket Khisti [15:02:21] sandeep kumar choudhary [15:02:25] Suraj Narwade [15:02:34] Okay [15:02:35] tejas gadsing [15:02:37] Deeksha Aruloli [15:02:49] akshay shipurkar [15:02:49] Let us begin. [15:02:57] Sayali Korpade [15:03:00] clearqueue [15:03:04] Budhram Gurung [15:03:21] Satyajit Bulage [15:03:40] Now type ! if you have any question related to the "how to ask smart questions" doc. [15:03:49] abhishekg5_ is now known as abhishekg5 [15:03:51] Anyone? [15:04:04] Great :D [15:04:23] ! [15:04:50] next [15:05:06] ChirathR [15:05:30] What if we have small questions but not smart? Should we ask or not? [15:05:51] priyanka, yes, first type in google, if you can not find any answer, then ask. [15:05:57] I mean then ask here. [15:06:07] ! [15:06:09] priyanka, giyf [15:06:10] kushal, okay thanks [15:06:10] next [15:06:20] +1 kushal [15:06:42] how to google as wel as participate here [15:06:49] nishapoyarekar, I never knew this term. [15:06:56] nishapoyarekar, what is giyf? [15:07:08] Google is your friend [15:07:09] priyanka, google is your friend [15:07:11] google is your fried [15:07:13] google is your friend [15:07:13] priyanka: google is your friend [15:07:18] nishapoyarekar, :D [15:07:24] *friend [15:07:24] lolzz [15:07:26] First letter caps guys [15:07:27] avik, There can be two applications running in your computer. [15:07:33] kushal, ironically its there in the document ;) [15:07:38] Sanyam Khurana [15:07:46] ketank, Please stop saying that word. [15:07:54] nishapoyarekar, Means I should read it again tonight. [15:07:55] priyanka, ask a question and be stupid for 5 sec then not ask one and be stupid for the rest of your life [15:08:04] yes but not my focus, sorry [15:08:06] ! [15:08:10] It's Under STFW [15:08:12] fhackdroid, Nice. [15:08:12] avik:: You can use multiple monitors if you have another monitor. [15:08:22] +1 fhackdroid [15:08:24] everyone stop please. [15:08:27] fhackdroid, +1 [15:08:30] next [15:08:37] Send plain text mail not HtML . What does that mean ? [15:08:42] fhackdroid +1 [15:08:48] and what's the MIME ? [15:08:53] fhackdroid, thank you. [15:08:56] sandeepmaity09, That is not part of the first document. [15:09:12] sandeepmaity09, Please ask it again after 2 minutes when I ask for the second one. [15:09:19] i am getting an error "/dev/mapper/live-rw does not exist while installation of fedora 23 on oracle vm ,do anyone have solution for it [15:09:25] ohk [15:09:37] Any more question about the first link? [15:09:47] poonam, you can join #fedora and ask for help. [15:10:10] ! [15:10:32] next [15:10:37] kunalk, since I missed first day and I didn't get with "first link"? [15:10:38] What is a blog and it's need? [15:11:10] priyanka, just type the exact same thing on google.com [15:11:17] budhram, http://www.catb.org/esr/faqs/smart-questions.html [15:11:18] And you will see the magic of google. [15:11:27] Read the first link. [15:11:29] kushal, +1 [15:11:35] kushal, +1 [15:11:41] thanks rohan_h [15:11:44] Everyone stop giving these +1s [15:11:50] Next, https://dgplug.org/irclogs/mbuf_1stclass.log press ! if you have any question. [15:11:54] abhishekg5_ is now known as abhishekg5 [15:12:17] ! [15:12:46] ext [15:12:49] next [15:12:58] Page#12 Are the extra > bad? [15:13:20] Does > show up as colorful lines in THunderbird? [15:13:31] [15:13:33] Generally does not iirc. [15:13:39] * kushal does not use Thunderbird. [15:13:57] vharsh, you use > to quote lines [15:14:11] sayali2507_ is now known as sayali2507 [15:14:14] vharsh, and they can be nested as well [15:14:29] vharsh, it's usually helpful in answering to mails inline [15:14:42] hmm, To me the mails look confusing [15:14:42] next [15:14:57] Any question? [15:14:59] I have to look at the time stamps to understand who started the thread, etc [15:15:10] vharsh, but don't overdo it, as it will make your mail difficult to read [15:15:22] Please, elaborate the digest mode part,sometime (page#17) [15:16:02] vharsh, digest mode means that you get a bunch of mailing list mails (once a week, say) at once [15:16:20] Someone please paste a link to a digest mode reply :) [15:16:38] vharsh, it's not that useful if you really want to be interactive in a mailing list conversation [15:16:40] What mistake has happened? Has some user copied the previous email? [15:17:13] vharsh:: How do you mean? [15:17:14] [15:17:35] kushal, http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/pipermail/ilugc/2008-April/040535.html [15:17:36] acetakwas, In the page#20 of http://www.shakthimaan.com/downloads/glv/presentations/mailing-list-etiquette.pdf [15:17:53] moizsajid, not to me, but to vharsh :) [15:18:01] sorry [15:18:12] No need to say sorry :) [15:18:14] simple example of digest mode https://paste.fedoraproject.org/382099/66428680/ [15:18:17] Anyone else any question? [15:18:36] kushal, I'll need some more time to examine this. I am slow with mails [15:19:02] ! [15:19:05] hmm, it seems 10 mails are delivered as one. [15:19:21] next [15:19:21] pabitra: go ahead with your question. [15:19:27] went through the digest mail... still not clear [15:19:46] does it collects only the highlighted texts from each mail ? [15:20:06] or bunches 10-15 mails in one and delivers it ?? [15:20:07] moizsajid, he forgot to change the subject line, and so the conversation continued on same thread. Is this a example of Digest mode ? [15:20:21] kushal,sorry i got late,just came from office [15:20:32] tabrez, no problem [15:20:58] pabitra: Digest Mail means you get one mail in a week, but it is a summary of whatever other people got over the week. [15:21:13] kushal: Is the digest mail randomly selecting some of the mails from the previous mails in a week and sending them at a time.? [15:21:37] Ultimatepritam, I guess so. Can anybody comment on it? [15:21:48] https://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-admin/node19.html [15:21:55] same question as of SRvSaha [15:21:57] even i have the same doubt as SRvSaha [15:22:16] Digest mode works based on your type of subscription. It is user-specific in a way. [15:22:23] hi.. sorry iam late [15:22:41] next [15:22:47] If you subscribe for mails "per day," then you'd get batch of emails at the end of each day [15:22:49] basically it is bad. [15:22:55] kushal: +1 [15:22:56] That is if there are any emails for that day [15:23:15] No more questions? [15:23:16] acetakwas, Thanks for the explanation :) [15:23:18] acetakwas: +1 [15:23:19] hi got late as well, read the conversation. [15:23:20] ! [15:23:24] next [15:23:33] However, if you subscribe for a week or some other time frame, then the batches would come after that time [15:23:36] what does mailman does? [15:23:48] indiabhi, please do not ask questions directly [15:23:52] Yes, kushal is right. [15:23:55] indiabhi, type ! and wait for your turn. [15:24:07] indiabhi: https://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/ [15:24:10] ! [15:24:23] next [15:24:23] next [15:24:35] +1 means ? [15:24:37] acetakwas, As when I subscribe to any wordpress blogs there I can see some Delivery Frequency options [15:24:50] AndroUser: I support you on that comment [15:24:50] AndroUser: you agree on someone's point. [15:25:13] thanks [15:25:20] AndroUser: it means that you support a point. Usually people Call it kudos [15:25:36] ! [15:25:37] ! [15:25:39] next [15:25:44] Ultimatepritam:: That is not a mailing list [15:25:51] PrashantJ_ is now known as PrashantJ [15:25:55] ! [15:25:59] what is the topic for today's class? [15:26:05] That means you want the blog/site to send you periodic emails about their service/product [15:26:23] You usually don't reply to such emails [15:26:33] yoda__: primarily Q/A on the communication guidelines [15:26:55] yoda__:: Mostly, question and answers so far. [15:27:04] ! [15:27:14] next [15:27:19] yoda__: communication is one of the important foundation in open source [15:27:22] next [15:27:31] ! [15:27:34] next [15:27:37] What is "GPG-signed email that comes with header/footer" ? [15:27:49] I guess my college uses mailman, so we had a problem in which there was a trouble relating to storage space, basically it creates another attachment everytime user sends another email how does gmail and other mail services handles it? [15:28:12] abstatic: https://www.gnupg.org/gph/en/manual/x135.html [15:28:14] acetakwas, Thank you. I think I understood. :) [15:28:16] iKshitij is now known as Guest30131 [15:28:51] can you elaborate why communication is so important in open source? [15:29:08] Ultimatepritam:: :) [15:29:24] indiabhi: scaling the storage server!? [15:29:49] yoda__ : because OpenSource is a Community of free minded people. [15:29:58] yoda__, communication is important because open source is driven by community [15:30:04] yoda__: communication is important everywhere...that's how people will understand and will help you [15:30:17] yoda__ developing is not one hand task. that's why we need to communicate. In open source we reach people through out the globe [15:30:36] yoda__: so primary we communicate via IRC/Mailing list so you need to follow the guidelines so that the person you are communicating to understands [15:30:39] yoda__: 1. if you don't communicate then nobody will know about your work. 2. you might endup wasting lot of time for a problem which is already solved [15:30:55] next [15:30:59] Can we get the schedule of topics covered, it would really help pre class prep! [15:31:09] sayan, probably using some data structure to keep track of different attachments sent to multiple user and storing it in just one place rather than duplicating it. [15:31:10] ! [15:31:21] srinidhir, Nope, as it is still difficult for us to make that. [15:31:26] yoda__:: Communication allows people working on a project to understand themselves. [15:31:41] anyways mailman came to my mind, will go through their doc and visit there irc for further discussion :0 [15:31:53] next [15:31:54] i got it. [15:31:57] how do we use Wiki for documentation...?? [15:32:07] yoda__:: You can communicate via IRC (like this), mailing list, Slack or more channels. [15:32:22] Hi,can anyone please tell me how to join summer training [15:32:27] abhishekcs10, You write things in a wiki, and others will read it. [15:32:31] That is how. [15:32:37] Anandprakash_, fill the google form on dgplug.org [15:32:40] Anandprakash_, you are in the training. [15:32:48] I have filled [15:32:49] abhishekcs10 Wiki documentation help end user the use their product. If acts like a guide. [15:32:51] Anandprakash_, Attend the sessions here. [15:33:04] okay [15:33:05] *IT [15:34:08] one should prefer Wiki or blog for their projects...?? [15:34:18] ! [15:34:27] abhishekcs10:: Both (it depends) [15:34:49] abhishekcs10:: Your blog mostly would be edited by you alone [15:34:58] next [15:35:09] sorry! [15:35:10] But a wiki allows more people to collaboratively edit a document [15:35:26] +1 acetakwas [15:35:29] ! [15:35:34] thank you...:) [15:35:48] ! [15:35:51] next [15:35:54] Is wiki documentation for end users or for developers? [15:36:02] moizsajid_: both [15:36:43] moizsajid, sometimes wiki is used as a white board to share their ideas about the project. [15:37:13] got it! [15:37:15] moizsajid_: developers can have documentation, READMEs as wiki [15:37:42] is there any doc or blog related to today's class? [15:37:43] moizsajid_: maybe those developers also create pages for end users too [15:37:47] next [15:38:11] yoda__: doc? as in? [15:38:20] ! [15:38:20] How is Wiki different from Documentation? [15:38:37] next [15:38:42] Documentation for any software which open source community use [15:38:42] can someone give me an example of how they used a blog for their project? a link perhaps? [15:39:40] shauryak_3: http://wiki.libvirt.org/page/Main_Page [15:39:42] http://www.slimframework.com/blog/ [15:39:44] How a communication tool works.A general idea which one can go through [15:40:06] ! [15:40:10] shauryak_3, like rtnpro uses his blog to talk about his project http://www.rtnpro.com/ircb-0-1-1-released/ [15:40:16] shauryak_3: you search for a project's + blog on google [15:40:22] next [15:40:54] next [15:40:59] How we use laTex for documentation...? [15:41:06] How is Wiki different from Documentation? [15:41:21] abhishekcs10, It is a big thing. [15:41:27] abhishekcs10, Takes time to learn [15:41:35] is it used in wiki as well..? [15:41:37] ! [15:41:48] Documentation is a generic term [15:41:51] SRvSaha: Wiki answers questions like what is the coding standards that is used in the project while documentation give you the functions present in the framework. Not sure. [15:42:09] ! [15:42:21] ! [15:42:23] sayan:: +1 [15:42:59] sayan: Ok. Documentation is the Abstract thing that is made up of wikis, blogs [15:42:59] SRvSaha Wiki is used for documentation [15:43:04] ! [15:43:09] Documentation is docs related to a software on how to use it? Installation etc [15:43:22] where wiki is a website maintained by a communnity [15:43:28] ==? [15:43:30] s/where/whereas [15:43:31] In my opinion, "Documentation" is a more formal/official release. [15:43:32] next [15:43:35] Do I have to use blowfish encryption for this ? Because I heard passwords sent through Nickserv and Chanserv are not encrypted if your connection is not encrypted [15:44:06] As a developer you want to check the documentation for technical specifications. [15:44:17] yASH_, good question [15:44:19] sayan, what is s/where [15:44:36] Thanks !! [15:44:40] yASH_: communication in IRC happends over plaintext [15:44:55] tabrez: use ! to ask questions [15:44:57] next [15:44:59] what is latex? [15:45:11] ! [15:45:22] ! [15:45:23] tejasgadsing: https://www.latex-project.org/ [15:45:29] tejasgadsing: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=what+is+mailman [15:45:40] is it required to read whole wiki to understand the project ? [15:45:41] next [15:45:41] ! [15:45:56] tejasgadsing, Latex is tool for creating documentation pdf. Follow above praveenkumar's link [15:45:57] praveenkumar,sayan thanks [15:46:01] tabrez, it is used to correct anything you previously wrote wrong [15:46:06] AndroUser:: No. [15:46:10] AndroUser, it depends. [15:46:11] AndroUser: depend on how much you already know about that project. [15:46:15] AndroUser: use ! to ask questions [15:46:18] next [15:46:19] respond Inline in email. Should we reply inline the opening thread where Question is asked or we can reply to the responded mail too? [15:46:31] tabrez, s/"wrong_phrase"/"correct_phrase" [15:46:31] ! [15:46:38] thanks...i used ! [15:46:56] thanks abhishekg5 [15:47:04] rahuldecoded_, you can respond to any mail. You keep the response inline so that it would be easy to track in what context a reply has been made. [15:47:05] rahuldecoded_: It means you should reply inline to whatever question/query/suggestion you want to make against. [15:47:07] ! [15:47:08] rahuldecoded_: reply inline to the email you want to respond [15:47:14] next [15:47:16] What is yaSH talking about? The encryption part. Why do we need it? [15:47:57] punarvasu510: encryption is needed so that no one can spy on our activity [15:48:00] next [15:48:04] got the answer [15:48:08] tabrez: cool [15:48:10] * rahuldecoded_ Thanks :) [15:48:10] next [15:48:13] for higher security purpose [15:48:33] do we have any framework in python used for communicating? [15:48:40] punarvasu510: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=what+is+encryption+needed [15:49:41] yoda__: you need to be specific. which area of communicating? [15:49:42] sayan: 😄 [15:49:45] yoda__:: Not sure what you mean. A framework is some code written by someone (even you) which you can usually build an app around. [15:50:04] It's a like "skeletal" code. [15:50:34] yoda__: if you are looking for wiki engines - https://wiki.python.org/moin/PythonWikiEngines [15:50:40] * chandankumar will connect from home. [15:51:13] yoda__: if you are looking for Python IRC bouncers - github.com/waartaa/ircb [15:51:21] kushal: I have to leave [15:51:22] there are a few more [15:51:24] next [15:51:25] sayan, lmgtfy.com -> cool website [15:51:28] any good tool or way to find work flow control of big python code [15:51:36] ! [15:51:39] someone shared the link the link for slime framework which is wriiten in php.I was curious if there is any such framework built in python [15:51:55] Anandprakash_: you can use a debugger like ipdb or pudb [15:51:56] abhishekg5__ is now known as abhishekg5 [15:52:27] yes I am using it, what about pycallgraph, I want to explore it more..is it a good idea [15:52:32] yoda__, there are many like web2py, flask, django, tornado etc. [15:52:35] sayan: Is framework the basic thing, on the top of which we can build something. How is it different from an API then? [15:52:56] yoda__: http://flask.pocoo.org/ something that can be compared to slim [15:52:59] yoda__, for writing rest apis Django rest framework is good. [15:53:07] ! [15:53:17] We are moving out too much. [15:53:18] next [15:53:22] yoda__: PHP and python are fundamentally different languages. As for web frameworks https://github.com/vinta/awesome-python#web-frameworks [15:53:24] can we consider README for a project on git sites as a documentation ? [15:53:32] No more python questions. [15:53:42] sharique: depend on how good that written [15:53:46] ! [15:53:59] sharique: yes, but depending on the detail in which it is explained [15:54:08] next [15:54:38] next [15:54:39] sayan: Is framework the basic thing, on the top of which we can build something. How is it different from an API then? [15:54:45] sayan, wiki engines means search engines used to search any doc or related material? [15:54:52] SRvSaha, it is not part of the discussion. [15:54:58] SRvSaha: api is there so as to easy your way to use some other application, while building your own! [15:55:01] Keep those questions for later. [15:55:09] next [15:55:11] ! [15:55:13] what are supported data types [15:55:15] Only question regarding communications [15:55:26] ashim, Not related here. [15:55:27] and communication guidelines [15:55:29] next [15:56:02] can we please come back to some conversation which beginers like me can comprehend? [15:56:10] avik, Yes, right [15:56:13] We have to do that. [15:56:17] avik, Thanks for saying that. [15:56:20] +1 aik [15:56:22] avik: yes, that's why we stopped [15:56:27] *+1 avik [15:56:33] +1 avik [15:56:33] :D [15:56:38] next [15:56:46] https://dgplug.org/irclogs/mbuf_2ndclass.log Any questions on this? [15:56:55] https://dgplug.org/summertraining16/ [15:57:03] sorry [15:57:34] For those who want to ask questions that are as friendly to beginners, [I believe] you can do so after the class session ends. [15:57:49] acetakwas, That should be in the session [15:58:05] People are asking random questions which has nothing to do with the session. [15:58:13] kushal:: s/are/"are not" [15:58:13] Any question on https://dgplug.org/irclogs/mbuf_2ndclass.log ? [15:58:13] tmackin is now known as mac1733 [15:58:23] acetakwas, hehe :) [15:58:45] ! [15:58:55] next [15:59:01] how to initiate communication with a mentor for the first time? [15:59:18] * chshbh was afk [15:59:28] ShaswataD, Write a nice email. [15:59:38] ! [15:59:41] ! [15:59:50] lambainsaan, you should not have any space. [15:59:53] next [15:59:58] ! [16:00:06] should i visit their irc channel or write to their mailing list? [16:00:08] ! [16:00:18] ! [16:00:22] What is Linux generally referred to as GNU/Linux? [16:00:59] indiabhi, You should do both. [16:01:00] SRVSaha: wait till the bot asks you to ask your question [16:01:06] SRvSaha, Please wait for your turn. [16:01:15] SRvSaha: wait for your turn anyways we won't answer out of turn questions [16:01:27] next [16:01:39] lol [16:01:45] you missed my question? [16:01:48] kushal: punarvasu510 : Sorry for that. Actually mistakenly I have stroked the Enter key-__- [16:01:52] indiabhi, Both. [16:02:19] mera to janek man nhi krra jbse ye dialog box open hua [16:02:21] SRvSaha:: GNU is the operating system. Linux is a kernel. (I'll leave you to learn what a Kernel is.) [16:02:24] What is Linux generally referred to as GNU/Linux? [16:02:25] Linux is simply a kernel. To make it a complete operating system gnu utilities and many other software are required. therefore GNU/Linux [16:02:33] SRvsaha: because, linux is just a kernel, not the whole operating system, which includes contribution from many, so GNU/Linux signifies the whole os. [16:02:44] .link question [16:02:48] SRvSaha: ^^ [16:02:49] :) [16:02:50] ! [16:02:56] SRvSaha, ^^^^^ [16:03:00] ! [16:03:06] ! [16:03:13] next [16:03:17] How to find a mentor? I have been looking for someone who can guide me since a very long time. [16:03:43] SRvSaha, Read what happened to a 14 year old guy when he said Linux instead of GNU/Linux to RMS :p [16:04:11] ! [16:04:42] ! [16:04:49] ! [16:05:06] lambainsaan, Now you are in the right place. [16:05:15] lambainsaan, Continue with the training, and you will learn a lot. [16:05:17] next [16:05:19] kushal +1 [16:05:19] Is the agenda for today's session any different from that of yesterday's ?Just asking :) [16:05:47] punarvasu510, What do you think are we doing? [16:06:00] Discussing the home task. [16:06:08] That is the difference. [16:06:10] next [16:06:13] which communication create more impact and beneficial,voice or chat communication? [16:06:56] shobhitupadhyay:: I think you should stick with what works best for you. [16:07:00] shobhitupadhyay, both are use in different scenarios [16:07:09] email [16:07:46] shobhitupadhyay, communication = right toot + right time + right people + right job read shaktimaan's slides [16:08:06] +1 prashant [16:08:16] +1 prashaant [16:08:16] +1 prashaant [16:08:24] +1 [16:08:29] +1 [16:08:31] And you usually get logs of chats, not really the case with voice of course. [16:08:51] next [16:08:54] there are some non-free distribution of linux, how are they different? i have googled it only to find about some extra driver support. [16:09:06] +1 prashant [16:09:17] +1 acetakwas [16:10:01] prashaant, +1 [16:10:24] ! [16:10:38] abk:: Mostly that they are owned by companies that offer technical support [16:10:50] Yes, many hardware does not have open source driver. [16:11:15] ok :) so its just about the support. thanks [16:11:45] abk, because they contain software that is not free/libre.Interestingly it turns out to be drivers on most occasions. [16:12:42] even some multimedia codecs like mp3 are not free software [16:13:08] D1mz, good point. [16:13:47] Rival organizations(AMD vs Nvidea) scared that their competitors will steal their research. [16:13:48] Yes [16:13:54] D1mz, "even some multimedia codecs like mp3 are not free software" patent of the codec and implementation are two different things. [16:13:54] we can continue. [16:13:58] Btw a good article with a horrifying end [16:13:58] https://fedoramagazine.org/open-source-black-boxes-radioactivity/ [16:13:59] next [16:14:05] So when we use term GNU/Linux which distribution (Ubuntu, Fedora etc.) are we referring to...? [16:14:07] next [16:14:22] why dgplug group prefer Fedora over other linux dist ? [16:15:13] ! [16:15:23] iKshitij, because we think it is the best distribution for developers and users. [16:15:24] next [16:15:33] iKshitij It is good for developers [16:15:40] ! [16:15:44] next [16:15:46] next [16:15:47] can any one please tell me a complete workflow of any linux command..means when we enter a command what is going inside...and how we can see the progress using stacktrace/any other? [16:16:04] Anandprakash_, not part of this class. [16:16:05] next [16:16:06] how do u search inside irc logs? does google crawls irc logs as well? More importantly how do i find relevant information from irc logs? [16:16:10] Kushal, what are some risks associated with Open Source Software? [16:16:47] indiabhi, Open the log in browser, press Ctrl+f to open the find box [16:16:49] indiabhi:: Use your web browser's "Find" feature (Ctrl+F) [16:16:53] Rahul Can you justify ! How ? [16:17:08] iKshitij, you will learn with time. [16:17:11] next [16:17:20] priyanka, I don't know any. [16:17:26] On what basis Fedora is considered to be the best for Developers? I have seen Debian GNU/Linux to have more software and community support [16:17:30] ! [16:17:40] pksadiq, You will learn it with time. [16:17:41] next [16:17:52] Kushal and Rahul Thank You. [16:17:57] is irc chats are secured? [16:18:01] priyanka:: You could become popular :) [16:18:07] iKshitij: because Fedora works closely with Upstream, has updated packages, you get the latest things on Fedora [16:18:08] priyanka, "risks associated..." very broad [16:18:13] priyanka, Check https://fedoramagazine.org/open-source-black-boxes-radioactivity/ [16:18:21] priyanka: its linear hierarchy can have some disadvantages too. [16:18:35] rahuldecoded_, In what sense ? [16:18:54] next [16:18:54] vharsh, okay. [16:19:02] rahuldecoded_:: Simply, "No." It's in plain text. [16:19:13] next [16:19:22] chshbh, okay. [16:19:39] Okay [16:19:57] acetakwas, means? [16:20:08] priyanka:: That's a joke. [16:20:15] priyanka, AFAIK there are only 2 major distros that offer bleeding edge software, Arch and Fedora. Arch is not for beginners so Fedora is a better choice. [16:20:16] next [16:20:36] +1 [16:20:44] acetakwas, ohh. [16:20:58] Next [16:21:07] For tomorrow read this https://dgplug.org/irclogs/mbuf_2ndclass.log [16:21:11] Ooops [16:21:14] wrong link [16:21:18] D1mz, how can you say that arch is not for beginners? im not saying you are wrong im just looking for your reason [16:21:25] onething that distinquish Arch and Fedora, Arch is rolling release. `pacman -Syu` and you have all the latest packages [16:21:43] For tomorrow please go through https://dgplug.org/irclogs/mbuf_2ndclass.log [16:21:47] Eeks [16:21:55] ! [16:22:02] https://dgplug.org/irclogs/2013/2013-07-17-ncoghlan.log [16:22:08] ^^ read this for tomorrow. [16:22:09] with Fedora, one has replace the current with "new release" [16:22:32] D1mz, will you explain? [16:23:07] kuldeep: Arch definitely takes a lot of setup, whereas Fedora's installation and setup is a breeze compared to that. [16:23:36] sandeepkr: ^ [16:23:55] sandeepkr, The difficulty in installation and troubleshooting. This is because every installation is unique and the same solution may not work for everyone [16:24:43] When you look at so many tools online, and measure how much support they have for one OS (e.g Fedora vs Arch), you would usually find more of Fedora [16:24:53] Arch has more chances of breaking when upgraded [16:25:05] Or Ubuntu (which I use) [16:25:30] Ubuntu packages very old software [16:25:47] So, with Arch, you have less people holding your hands to guid you. [16:25:53] s/guid/guide [16:26:01] kushal: any other readings for tomorrow? [16:26:12] kushal log of Jul 17 2013 ? [16:26:26] kushal I think the above link is above. So should we install python? [16:26:28] No Arch has the top notch documentation of all distros [16:26:31] everyone , don't get sentimental about which distro to use instead focus on the contribution part initially [16:26:42] +1 [16:26:44] Arch wiki is one place to get all info its awwsome. and afair there is a fork of Arch in which they are working for "beginners" [16:26:48] kushal I think the above link is about python. So should we install python? [16:26:55] Read the link kushal gave [16:26:56] +1 [16:27:01] +1 kuldeep D1mz [16:27:04] rahuldecoded_, python is there in most distros [16:27:05] sayan ok [16:27:09] +1 prashaant [16:27:18] And tomorrow you would require a Linux distro [16:27:25] ! [16:27:30] so get it ready those who have not yet [16:27:31] next [16:27:34] Once we type "!", is there any way to get out of the queue? [16:27:35] next [16:27:58] ! [16:27:59] punarvasu510: no, maybe you can send a PR, first contribution :) [16:28:01] next [16:28:01] how to contribute in open source as a beginner [16:28:07] ! [16:28:17] what is best to dual boot or installon virtual [16:28:28] android: you will learn that here itself [16:28:30] next [16:28:34] sandy_ dual boot [16:28:36] How about recommending a documentary/movie related to linux/etc etc? [16:28:41] sandy_ setting up dual boot is tricky. you might lose your data [16:28:44] android, https://sayanchowdhury.dgplug.org/how-to-get-started-with-open-source/ [16:28:46] I know one of them, Revolution OS [16:28:53] +1 [16:29:15] sandy_: it good to get Linux install by somebody who knows if you are not that confident [16:29:23] You will get to know the FSF and open source debate. [16:29:27] else go for virtual installation [16:29:27] abstatic so what method should i prefer? [16:29:28] vharsh, i guess thats the only one.I might be wrong. [16:29:29] vharsh, Aaron Swartz : Internets Own Boy [16:29:55] vharsh: google, plenty out there [16:30:02] +1, though you would mostly learn about aaron's life.. [16:30:05] sandeepkr, There's one more "Code story linux", "Code rush" -> Mozilla [16:30:06] vharsh, RMS talks and gnu.org are useful to understand in broader view [16:30:12] vharsh, Person of Interest or Mr. Robot [16:30:20] what about installing dual boot, UEFI and Legacy [16:30:21] Please recommend us some. [16:30:21] sandy_ try installing on a vm first. if you feel comfortable then try dual boot. level of difficulty depends on the other os win7 < win8 < win10 [16:30:48] +1 kuldeep [16:30:51] next [16:30:58] mayurparik, Plenty of videos on youtube. [16:31:02] sayan: ther is no nobody in my circle who know, first i try to install ubuntu but can't [16:31:31] gkadam, +1 for POI but that is fiction but good for motivation. [16:31:57] haha Machine :p [16:31:59] sandy_ : try Ubuntu on VMware, plenty of tutorials on how-to [16:32:15] mayurparik, you need to check if uefi is enabled, or legacy support is enabled. by default uefi will support GPT partition , so you need to be aware of GPT, MBR and other things. [16:32:21] sandy_, search on youtube you will find plenty of videos to dual boot [16:32:22] I am not getting what we are discussing on vharsh's question [16:32:32] youtube shows exactly how to install a linux distro plus google it' [16:32:34] sayan: ended changing my all drive from primary to basic drive ,try create an empty partition but didn't work out [16:32:42] sandy_:it's simple just make a bootable and make root,swap,home directory and install [16:32:52] recommending a documentary/movie related to linux/etc etc [16:33:07] grepRoot, yes. harold and root are my motivation! :D [16:33:36] gkadam: Oh, yeah! [16:34:06] is the session over? [16:34:09] sandy_, to install ubuntu alongside windows, refer to this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_FuLXIKLVjg [16:34:10] ! [16:34:18] anushil051: i try but when i choose 3rd option it show one c: drive and other all drive combine [16:34:19] grepRoot, no [16:34:21] I think persistent live usb is also a good alternative to dual boot [16:34:26] Sayan When I was trying to install Fedora dual boot with windows. (Windows PreInstalled). I was getting error " ". I asked the same on fedora forum. They asked me to change Drive to GPT from GMR. what is GPT or GMR [16:34:46] D1mz, +1 but the OS of choice should be lightweight like puppy or lubuntu [16:34:50] code_geek: thank's i will see [16:34:51] * sayan got disconnected [16:34:59] +1 iKshitij [16:34:59] welcome [16:35:01] Oh, didn't see kushal's message for a while. So thought. [16:35:04] ! [16:35:08] next [16:35:12] next [16:35:17] sandy_:first make partition in windows then try you will see every drive [16:35:18] grepRoot: he is disconnected [16:35:19] Sayan When I was trying to install Fedora dual boot with windows. (Windows PreInstalled). I was getting error " ". I asked the same on fedora forum. They asked me to change Drive to GPT from GMR. what is GPT or GMR [16:35:22] iKshitij, it is MBR [16:35:26] is the session over? [16:35:31] iKshitij: let's take this question after the sesssion [16:35:31] sorry MBR [16:35:36] ShaswataD, no [16:35:37] any more question? [16:35:40] okay [16:35:41] next [16:35:47] Roll Call [16:35:52] Harsh Vardhan [16:35:52] Rohan Hazra [16:35:54] Rahul Bhattacharjee [16:35:54] Ganesh Kadam [16:35:55] Mahendra Yadav [16:35:55] Shaswata Dutta [16:35:55] Kunal Kumar [16:35:56] Shantanu Acharya [16:35:56] Shaurya Kalia [16:35:57] Agung Gumilang [16:35:57] Jason Estibeiro [16:35:59] Avinash Madhukar [16:36:00] Prashant Jamkhande [16:36:00] Kshitij [16:36:00] Gobinda Akhuli [16:36:01] Suraj Narwade [16:36:01] Rushiprasad Narwade [16:36:01] ketan ku ar [16:36:01] Akshay Shipurkar [16:36:03] Gourav Chawla [16:36:03] Alekhya Vellanki [16:36:04] Abhishek Shrivastava [16:36:05] Rhitik Bhatt [16:36:06] Deepanshu Kapoor [16:36:06] vaibhav jain [16:36:07] Satyajit Bulage [16:36:07] Suniva Priyadarshini [16:36:08] Akhilesh Dhaundiyal [16:36:08] Varsha R [16:36:08] Utkarsh Shukla [16:36:09] Upadhye Madhuri [16:36:09] Sandeep Maity [16:36:09] mayurparik [16:36:10] Priyanka Sharma [16:36:11] Abheek [16:36:11] Prashant Sharma [16:36:11] Avik Mukherjee [16:36:12] Saikat Kumar Dey [16:36:14] Yashwanth M [16:36:15] Tejshree Bhosale [16:36:16] Aditya Bayana [16:36:17] Tejas gadsing [16:36:18] Tosin Animashaun [16:36:19] Madhuri Muley [16:36:20] Tabrez khan [16:36:20] Anushil Kumar [16:36:22] shobhit upadhyay [16:36:24] Ashwani Pandey [16:36:42] Kamlesh Chaudhari [16:36:44] Aniket Khisti [16:36:52] poonam jadhav [16:36:55] Neha [16:36:57] Sandeep Kumar [16:37:33] ! [16:37:46] endclass [16:37:46] [## Class Ended at Mon Jun 20 16:37:46 2016 ##]